Look up the world slander.

If you're truly concerned you should forward this matter to law enforcement and let professionals deal with it, not smear CCP with it.

... the community should self-regulate, I'm not even sold on getting CCP involved and/or especially the media.

What is of concern to CCP and the community at large, is Erotica1s activities of actively predating on the community for victims with ingame scams that he extends to OUTSIDE THE GAME.

[I do wonder what Ripard is up to, though. Clearly he's trying to force a confrontation with CCP on the matter by trying a media blitz after his own fashion. As evidenced by his use of as much hot button, inflamatory, charged language as he can shovel into his blog.

I mean... theres such a thing as going too far, ya dig? And some people crossed that line a long time ago...

And Teamspeak is now aware of this issue as well.

This thread might last for DAYS?

Ill get my paint shop monkeys making more sheep pictures. We are going to need them.

It's so appalling that I feel compelled to warn others not to associate with this game.

The same amount of time you've been following me around yapping at me begging for scraps.

I'll do it too. If they get enough people sending them the same story they will see there is a real interest.

whats criminal about offering something for someone to do something for you?

I think there have been more laws linked that Sohkar broke than Ero broke... but eh...whos counting right?

Really??? Well, its nice to know the next time someone scams me out of virtual goods that the game company owns I'm allowed to make real life death threats and go on an ugly racist rant cause people like you will support me.

Ask violent criminals after the crime, and 99.9% had an emotional response and didn't mean it. The reason we lock them up is because their emotional response is a danger to society.

Bah, wont invite me to Bonus Room.

Too scared I'll tear the whole crap structure down around your ears.

I understand.

They are back somewhere in this 100 page monstrosity.

We can quantify the amount of shitposts done by highsec pubbies versus the amount of goodposts done by non-highsec pubbies then compare the two and see if there is a significant difference between the two.

Among them are blackmail, extortion, fraud, intentional infliction of emotional distress, psychological harassment, cyber-bullying and violations related to the recording and distribution of the recordings without consent (and no, there was no consent, no matter how much some morons claim it. its not there.) Thats just on the victims side. CCP is itself, to my mind, also in a position to sue for various breaches of contract on points of the EULA as relating to Erotica1 making use of their services in actions which constitute any of the above.

And then it was brought to these forums where we were exposed and outraged by it, without our consent.

Right, so a guy loses in a video game and goes kills a school full of kids because he's mad at someone he doesn't know. Makes sense.

Lots of people in this thread would be defending the rapist and blaming the woman that dressed sexy and was having a little fun at the bar.

Sad.

[I don't think any decent person would have let it go this far...

He doesn't really understand a lot what he claims so very meretriciously to be an expert about... on display.... naive ultimately.

It's pretty simple really. In the EVE EULA in the user content section it states:...

And I cant wait, because I think he is a scum bag and deserves it.

This thread is STILL open!?

I first noticed it at lunch yesterday, I'm now having my morning tea!

6 accounts of mine were cancelled because of this so will wait and see what if anything CCP does

Maybe you should have shown the poor guy in the bonus round some respect, if you want others to respect you.

I'm just saying he is a hypocrite.

Its fuckheads like you, who would blame a Woman for getting raped because she was 'too pretty'!

Dont know how to check your recent posts?

That's what your goal seems to be,...

Where is it?

You have not answered it.

If you claim otherwise you would seem to be having an imaginary conversation.
Nowhere here in this thread have you answered it.
Believe me, I know. I've been here from the start.

Ok, so not only would you blame a woman for a ****... You'd be OK with pedophilia as long as it was 'consensual'

Pot, meet kettle.

I'm doing them a service by informing them of their stupidity. If they can handle the criticism, they will then go on to improve themselves and become persons of merit rather than mouth froth. It's a vital service that I quite enjoy providing.

Like the so, so many you've ducked in the thread so far? I agree.

False. I have expressed no such thing.

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So you are deliberately misrepresenting my words, with intent to libel...

Those are all false assertions and misrepresentations.

I have never said I would enjoy his suffering, either physically or from having his account revoked.

Or are you saying that people are correct to speak of gay people like this?

Yes, you're absolutely right, the abuse, death threats and racism that Sokhar used on Ero should not be tolerated.

Nowhere have I said I would enjoy his suffering.

Get over yourself.

Joy.

But it is not his suffering in any case, that I would be laughing at, or enjoying.

You can try to pin this anyway you want, it will not stick, because its not there.

What form that vindication takes is immaterial to me, in regards to the fact that I enjoy when the abused gets one back on the abuser.

It is not his suffering I enjoy, in anycase.

http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/332182-1

/c

No, there is not.

3 - CCP need to implement a guideline policy for these situations .SCAMMING SHOULD STAY LEGAL , but PROLONGED TEAR EXTRACTION , should BE ADVISED AGAINST. It should be understood if you take it TOO FAR (as in this case) THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES

Shut up about real life laws to try to justify the actions of degenerates.

CCP is the law and its customers are the voters.

If the majority of the players and nonplayers think this behavior is unacceptable, your argument is next to worthless.

Didn't erotica in this very thread SWEAR the mayonnaise thing never happened? He/She LIED? How shocking. I smell the stink of desperation.

Then ill adjust it

Make so when scamming individual players and or griefing individual players you can only use IN-GAME mechanisms
E.G i decide o become a scammer

I choose to scam a person out of their isk and assets . I use out of game mechanisms to do so it is illegal

E.G I decide to be a spy or thief within a corp/ alliance

I use out of game mechanisms like Teamspeak . This is fine as my intent is to steal from a corporation, and inflict financial damage to a in-game entity , that consists of real people , but it is not specifically directed at them . It is done with the purpose of theft of goods not to DELIBERATELY cause someone psychological harm. Or it is done to benefit my alliance not out of intent to cause the poeple in said corp/alliance duress.

well there go the forums, then

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Hi everyone,
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I mean he volunteered the info, who could be that stupid?! The TOS wasn't violated, he VOLUNTARILY left his personal info out on the internet so also no laws were broken. He is going to man up and take the consequences.

Damned shame really... remind me to tell you again how thin that blanket you cling to is...

Victims don't have to be innocent, or intelligent. This is irrelevant to the discussion about Ero1, but seems to be repeated every second post for some reason - probably because what Ero1 did is indefensible, and his supporters need to divert the conversation to something else.

Now, the victim is clearly also guilty of using slurs and making threats, and may deserve a ban as well, but that's a separate issue entirely.

The entire quote is pointing to the fact that either they both did wrong or none did wrong.... so your big high and mighty post is literally pointless

We had a post earlier by E1 stating that a "DJ" was "blackmailing" him over personal info that "DJ" "dug" up on him. I can't be bothered to find it, but it seems to corroborate what the Goons are saying.

I believe Erotica 1 should report this matter and provide the full soundcloud recording to his local law enforcement, as he is directly instructed to do by item #5 in the EVE Online Terms of Service.

I'm sure they'd be quite interested.

You can listen to the audio. Luminous Spirit posted it a while back. He asks for his "contestant" to smear mayo on himself and send him a picture of it. Its toward the end.

GUYS! I HAVE THE MAYO PICTURE

I was hoping for a challenge to the authenticity.

Erotica 1/Beancounter Jaynara posting about other activities (to link the two people together)

The first post, bragging about almost getting someone to smear themselves in mayo.
The second post, proudly sharing the pics of someone's girlfriend.

Is there a difference between dribbling on the chin and smearing it? Semantics, we all know what that represents. Cling to whatever you need shred you need to in order to make yourself feel better about who you associate with.

My prediction

No one is banned
Nothing changes
Goons still suck
CCP still hates LS.

Make LowSec safer please. There's to many pirates, no one goes there, ever. I want to mine Hedbergite in peace like I can Kernite in HiSec.

How is any of this relevant to a discussion about the **** poor ethics of someone? Stop making it about something it isn't.

At 47:55 in this clip, Erotica 1 says, "Would you also be able to with mayonnaise spell Erotica 1 on your chest, please?" This is after asking the guy to find a camera.

Out of curiosity, have they ever run a Bonus Round for a female player? Are there any female escrow agents? I've only heard male voices.

I'm sure CCP folks are talking about it (Even Falcon said it's a topic of discussion right now), so as long as the thread stays semi-civil and constructive it's probably a good way of guaging community feelings as well as canvassing arguments and points from as many sources as they can before making any decisions themselves.

This is emotional rapists trying to justify what they do by staging a show that, no, victims are not really hurt at all.

E1 thinks its OK to inflict emotional damage on handicapped people. "its just a bit of fun, no real harm done, nobody dies"

Neo-**** guys down the road in a seedy bar think its OK to **** a girl too "its just a bit of fun, no real harm done, nobody dies"

If that ain't defamatory i don't know what is

defamation


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noun

noun: defamation; plural noun: defamations



1.



the action of damaging the good reputation of someone; slander or libel.

I've also personally witnessed... ... several more committing suicide over the next couple years.

Eroticas voice is processed, A simple compressor could flatten any and all or just some of Eroticas volume fluctuations

[It demonstrates the need to put an end to the scamming sub-culture of EVE.

...

No, the day of reckoning is at hand, a fundamental paradigm shift is needed.

I think it'd be fair to say that both sides of the discussion would share this same sentiment.

Because when one of these "idiots" goes over the top, slots himself or harms someone else, then the game we love is going to be in some serious ****.

we've gone straight past killing ourselves as a result of what happens in games... we have humans killing themselves BECAUSE they are playing games for too long (as in not drinking/eating while playing for some crazy amount of time)

Anyone with even a first year law school education would be laughing their asses off reading this thread.]

How is a guy dying after playing Starcraft for 40+ hours without going to the toilet relevant in the slightest to the topic of this thread?

I ask again, what exactly are the tasks required of the victim in order to win the bonus room?

Then it can be shown that the Bonus Rooms only function is an arena to harm the victim.

It then categorically falls under the EULA as an event and instance the only purpose of which is to abuse and harm the victim.

What is the legitimate way to win?

What is required of the victim in order to win the Bonus Round?

Answer specifically.

I remind you that you cannot make a contract in EVE that bypasses the EULA.

Are you saying that in participating in the Bonus Room, it is implicit that the participant must submit to treatment that is against his EULA rights, in order to win?

Are you saying it is required that the victim must submit to humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?

You did not answer what is required of the victim to win the Bonus Round, because in the very next sentence you openly admit that you have no idea what is required to win.


Is it so, that it is required that the victim must submit to commensurate abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?

Then you did not answer what specifically is required of the victim in order to win the Bonus Round.

Is it so, that it is required that the victim must submit to commensurate abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?

I was in school, loooong time ago and the music teacher asked me to submit myself to abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to 'win' a good report card.

I won but it scarred me for life.

D.

Try an stay on topic here and not try to derail the thread into a mud slinging match. I realise this is a tactic used widely on the forums to get threads locked and cover stuff up but for pages you have been attempting this..... just stop

Hey, he can unsubscribe any time, right?

Before this discussion goes any further, I'd like to remind people to make sure they stick within the forum rules and not let this get out of hand.

I'm well aware that that there's opinion on both sides of the fence here that's extremely strong, as I have my own opinions on this too.

That said, keep it within the forum rules, and keep it civil.

Now, I am waiting for CCP to share with us what they have decided on this matter. I am quite surprised it took them so long, especially as they were aware of this recording for one entire month, as it appears to be.

Having not seen a significant word from them yet, I am inclined to believe they don't care and will endorse what happened eventually. As I will certainly not find my place in a community ready to welcome such behaviors without raising an eyebrow, I have to act by the only mean of action that could potentially be effective, my wallet.

So, I am starting the count down now: 20 hours till I cancel my accounts definitely.
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4 hours left

One other question, if E1 is such a great guy and has done no wrong, what the hell did he do to get kick out of the goons TWICE?.

This has attracted a steady stream of scumbags, and now we are at a tipping point where the amount of scumbags in EVE and their ability to project power over others cannot be ignored.

You keep using the same tired and false analogy over and over.

But surely people are not suggesting changing the rules of the game over this? This is transgression of the rules (?). Rules need to be enacted, not changed.

What challenge is there in parting a fool from his money? (specifically referring to scamming).

If something doesn't dramatically change, EVE will only see behavior like this increase. As long as Scamming is allowed, there will only ever be more Erotica 1's in EVE.

The only thing that really makes me nervous is the fact, that the 'victim' is - at least as stated by himself - a flight controller.

What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?

Is it so, that it is required that the victim must submit to commensurate abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?

I am not willing to lower my expectations to that level - he should have considered that before entering a situation that had the potential to harm his ability to do his job. This is like praising a school bus driver who was drinking the whole night as a responsible person for not coming to work while the real reason might have been that he was too drunk to find the door of his bedroom.

Setting up a charade with a neutral alt to give that impression is fallacy on your part im afraid.

Don't forget he sets fire to goats and eats babies.

...it strikes me that the real answer is probably something along the lines of ...

Not at all, IF E1 is lying about being kicked then why believe anything else he is saying?

I say if because it is not fair just to presume he is lying.

However why would 2 prominent Goons, both Baltec 1 and Mynnna say he was kicked and why kick him for something which Baltec advocates is fine.

I mean you may ban somebody for a small out of time or simply troll him for bad posting but to kick him for just bad posting, bit harsh wouldn't you say?

Everyone should understand this. The victim was only there because his assets were on the line.

Have you read the post linked in my sig?

I would encourage you to do so.

Maybe the people why can't publicly used their real name, because of the way they behave on the internet, are the people CCP don't want to be associated with.

Wow, forum stalk much?

lmao.. like I said before, if a person claims these kind of things it sticks in my head, what can I say lol.

Then what is the point of the unwinnable game?

Then what is the point of the unwinnable game?

Look what Microsoft is doing in cases like this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26766098

EVE should do similar.

Which has nothing to do with the bonus room.

It's true, we need the "scumbags" in this game, they make the game edgy and dangerous. Admittedly, from the looks of it, we have assembled more than our fair share but the game is set up to attract them.

What we don't need is the freaks who are so warped in their out of game lives that even GS kicks them for extreme behavior.

By the way, when we connect to your J, if you haven't been evicted already, we will burn you out like cancer from it.

Also this thread is beginning to remind me of Season 2, Episode 1 of Vikings.

So tell us then, what is required of the participant to win the Bonus Room?

[We need regular reminders sent to all pilots to not trust anybody!

victory through Education!

sorry, but I have to ask.

Are you actually even 18?

If so, I'm not so sure if I want to stick around and see what happens in future.

If you can't tell me what the correct answer to that question is, which is always presented, then you can't tell me that there is a way to win it either.

So far Kristalll, Riot Girl, Scipio Artelius, Danalee, Xuixien have all been UNABLE to provide the answer I consider correct for this.

The fact that we reacted so strongly was surprising to him, obviously surprising to you, and probably a wee bit to the folks responsible for this crap.

None of this would be a problem if there was an in game method of "payback" for scammers.

I have never and do not wish physical harm on Erotica1 :)

I state that here and now, unequivocably, sincerely.

I am becoming curious as to how/if CCP will respond to all of this, due to the time being taken I am rather confident a perma-ban is not going to be the result. Even temp ban I would think is unlikely. CCP should not have to ban someone simply because some in the community dislike them, otherwise you could just get any scammer publicly hated enough to justify a ban.

Besides OP and any CSM or CCP representative, is there anyone in this thread who has only posted once?

Show me someone who's kept up with this thread and I'll show you someone who hasn't slept in three days.

Of the top ten, the majority are persons with interests in Erotica1s Bonus Room, either in ISK or for the recordings..

Which part of, "We just took everything you have ever worked for in this game and if you don't participate in our sadistic ritual, you'll have no chance of getting it back", is lost on you?

Its a small amount of vested individuals running a huge amount of damage control and interference vs a much larger dissenting population. If there where not so many people against what is happening in the Bonus Room, that wouldnt be necessary

How much is too much. Ask yourself, how far does it have to go before something should be done? The game is open for 13 and up. What if it were a child? What if that child snapped and killed himself? Would you finally find your conscience then?

Only my opinion.

Well, lets just wait around till Erotica1 and associates do this to a 13yr old then, shall we?

If the mark leaves, they forfeit hope and dignity.

I don't see that as a risk, so from my perspective it's a thought that is not only abhorrent by my standards, but also not worth giving time to.

Hell, a part of me is waiting for the final denouement in where we learn that this has all been staged as a piece of performance art to troll and op success was declared way back at page 250 in a ninja edit that nobody will ever read.

He's stupider than I gave him credit for. How did he convince himself walking into that set up would be a good idea?

Mr Epeen

So wait, I'm a little out of the loop here, lemme throw a timeline up. Tell me if it's right.

Ero cons Sokhar out of some ISK and dignity.
Sokhar overreacts on TS
It gets posted, people giggle.
A month later, Ripard Teg posts a witch hunt blog post
Threadzilla ensues, torture speculation, what have you
Sokhar and Ero have reunion
Sokhar basically says "LoL I got back on my EVE feet whutchu kids mean torture?"


This is kinda close, right? If so, a few people owe Ero an apology, I think. If even your VICTIM says "that's not how it happened", c'mon.

Wait... Prince Kobol and Mandarine are the same person?

Well, that's good to know. I personally owe Mandarine a public flogging. He needs to be chased out of EVE. He is a vile, real life threatening scumbag.

The more I read it, the more I start to think that they might be the same guy.

Kobol, care to comment?

You are committing the sin of "Argument through Repetition."

It makes me happy when people are honest.

Do you think Ero should be banned just because you hate him?

Has sohkar posted on this thread or something? threads gone from 221 to 350+ while I was at work.

With these words Zarathustra started up, not however like a person in anguish seeking relief, but rather like a seer and a singer whom the spirit inspireth. With amazement did his eagle and serpent gaze upon him: for a coming bliss overspread his countenance like the rosy dawn.

And that's the reason why CCP should urgently state something to the community about your practics, no matter if you are friend now with sokhar or not. There is something very wrong with you, mate, that scares me. asperger syndrome?

i just got off the TS with erotica 1 and i did this to try to put a end to all this stuff people are putting out there and get how i felt about everything. I think all you people need to drop it. the "bonus room" happened over a month ago. Ask yourself why is it now just coming out now? if it wasnt for the article written about it no one would know or care. I know some of you said its not about erotica 1 or myself and you maybe right but what is it about then that people got scam it happens all the time even in RL. I got scammed and made an fool of myself in the process he did not ask me to do anything that would personalize me to people i dont know other then by my voice. Scamming and bonus rooms are not the problem until it makes someone hurt then selfs or others til then you may not agree with mine bumping or scamming then dont do it. Just because you dont agree with it doesnt make it a crime

Evidently in this thread /thread doesn't mean what we all think it means.

So they made up...after 1 month.
Well nice for them.

But it doesn't really matter. It's not because a victim forgives his assailant, or doen't even see himself as victim anymore, that a community has no obligation to stop such things in the first place. Because one day this will end badly. I still hope CCP still does something more then just 'looking into it'.

EVE Plex: Sociopath Callout: Erotica 1
The Coffee Rocks: The Airlock
Jester's Trek: The Bonus Round
Align to Ramble: Sociopaths In Space
Warp To 0: Slippery Slopes
Mabrik's Mumblings: It's a Discussion the Gaming Community Needs to Have
EVE Inudstrialist: EVE (EVil Entities)
Hardcore Casual: Too Much tolerance
Foo's EVE Musings: The incident in a certain room

So, does anyone else wonder if Luminous Spirit really went to the FBI, the ESRB and all those watchdog groups?

Because I'm reasonably sure that making false reports to the FBI is a crime. And a pretty hefty one, too. Even if it's done out of stupidity, btw.

"Yes, officer. I did kill him. But it was over a month ago and he didn't put down a complaint.
So why exactly are you bothering me?"

I find your argumentation rather not to the point.

I don't think all of you understand what goes on in the "Bonus Room" where Erotica1 and his croonies torment their "clients". I've never been in there.

Let's just say that after this is all over with I may be willing to sing songs and do silly things to win billions from total strangers.

[No I am not, it is a very simple question, either you or Mynnna is Lying, of course I and many others are going to believe Mynnna over you.

Simple fact is that you were kicked and you lied about it.

Now if what you have done, and are doing is not bad but harmless fun, why did they kick out of Goonswarm?

How convenient this enlightenment coincided with E1 announcing for CSM, and not a moment in the entire year before.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Widot is a member corporation in the alliance called, you know, Goonswarm Federation. (GSF)

So what you are saying is that if a Leading Director in GSF wanted to kick you for example, he would not be allowed to and would have to have your CEO's permission first?

So your CEO could say, get lost, I am not kicking him and that GSF Director would have to live with the CEO decision?

Just about everyone who isn't directly profiting from the activities involved, either in the form of ISK or enjoying the recordings.
You are the only ones defending this.

Even those who are concerned about slippery slope consequences of intervention, don't actually approve of what is happening in the Bonus Room.

The post history of this thread evidences that.

So avoiding the answer, interesting.

Also, if what E1 is doing is okay and fine, then why leave?

What was the problem, nobody should of been upset with him because apparently what he is doing is fine

Cos thats what you've been doing. Misrepresenting quotes and trying to find some contrived nit to pick at to remove the poster into a derailing venture.

Are you saying that I and this Mandarine are the same person, if so then I will report you for accusing me of impersantion another Eve player and you will have your answer